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Post by Bluecollarlove on Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:04 am

University can become a life and culture! I keep on going back even though I stopped for a year or two and then went back to work instead of study. Unfortunately as you say - commercial pressures, control even individuals, not just organisations! As much as I hate to admit that, I really appreciate being able to afford and ride a motorcycle of my choice, rather than being financially constrained.

The economic bailout in the US was horrendous: the UK has taken a similar lead, and failed to safeguard us, the taxpayer, against corporate greed. This is the reason why I think the overhaul (read 'revolution') in government and society needs to take place. And the tragedy is, that the freedom which democracy entails, has allowed capitalism to run rife and eat into the livelihood of even the working class person on the streets here.

When I moved to the city here, I maintained my efforts to shop local and buy at the small greengrocer and family run stores. This is becoming harder and harder. I find myself in a few of the larger department stores (equivalent to Walmart, but more upmarket) from time to time. What is nice about the UK, is that we do have a lot of indie and family run shops. The culture isn't totally dead, but it is in its throes of death. As usual, we can't rely on government to improve the situation for us. All we can do, is continue to pay our taxes and get treated as sh*t blind sheep, docile and ineffective against those channel power for personal greed.

Are you optimistic about the Health Care reforms in the USA? It looks like a massive project a long time coming...
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Post by whitebrad on Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:54 am

I am not optimistic at all about healthcare reform... we have these scumbag carpetbaggers called insurance companies that have one of the strongest lobbies ever, running roughshod all over us... really, they charge insane amounts and then refuse to pay claims, based on "pre-existing condition" or any other exclusion they can find. I am just bewildered how badly a government can mismanage anything. Like the Tobacco lawsuits here... billions of dollars paid to state and federal government that was spent on the silliest of things....

you cannot remove all the hands from the pie, so it only makes sense to make a mincemeat pie... Corruption is such a sad thing. It makes structural violence that is so epidemic in our country seem so normal. When all the infrastructure is finally raped, they then trickle the aid to the needy. So no, never can i trust the government to do much more than fail... Of course it can only get worse for me, and my family. We are on an HMO plan that is really very reasonable, and great care for our son. So we pay 80 dollars a month and get pretty great care, but it isn't like what the rich have by a longshot...

i hate walmart, by the way. if you want to find out more about that satan, just watch a video called walmart:the high cost of low prices. hate 'em...

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Post by Bluecollarlove on Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:43 pm

I guess there will be problems introducing and rolling out a nation wide sweeping reform programme for healthcare in such a vast country! We hear of so many musicians and bikers whose families' lives are wrecked, because they don't have healthcare insurance - or can't get healthcare insurance for the exact reasons you've described.

The insurance scam in US health care and the legal suing culture in the US are things which I'm glad we don't have over here (yet).

What is a HMO plan? Is that a kind of family health care plan? In the UK, we have 'free' healthcare provided through our higher taxes. It makes sense in some ways. For example: in some of our islands, we pay no car tax to run a car on the road for a year, because car tax is calculated into the price of petrol. So you only use pay tax for what you need. Whereas in the mainland UK, we pay car tax per vehicle, per year it is on the road, regardless of usage to some extent.

I'm not sure what is the better system, but at least with healthcare, our system is in a different phase from yours. Ours is running towards the end of its useful cycle, and expenditure exceeds the budget. Yours is at the start of the cycle: once the government reins in those insurance crooks, then your son will have a far better outlook for free healthcare until his 18th birthday. I think that's the way it should be. Kids and old people and some other groups, shouldn't be denied healthcare on the grounds of money.

We don't actually have Walmart here. Our equivalent would be a shop called 'Poundstretcher' which is quite horrible. Or maybe 'Lidl'. They do have low prices, but they also offer low prices on things I would never dream of feeding to a dog....


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Post by whitebrad on Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:24 pm

yes, thoroughly enjoyed class today... political violence and revolution class, and the lecture was on war. We had a whole hour on the realism approach, causes, and etc... it was sort of strange to look at hobbes without looking THROUGH hobbes, if that makes any sense. Hobbes has always been the antithesis of thought for me, so a lot of his points were validated in the discussion, but his main thesis, state of nature, was not.

An HMO plan is sort of like the Walmart of healthcare. It is seemingly based on a triage system. We see a dr 2x a year, but mainly, for normal complaints we pay a $10 copay, and see a physician's assistant. It is mostly based on seemingly triage... make sense?... that's the best i can do, but the rx charge is a copay of like $15, all the way up to a hospital admission which is like $100... It is affordable, and it is designed for families. The biggest problem is that Americans have been conditioned to hear the word "assistance" and think full-on communism. It is sickening. The worst part about it is the way they systematically turn the middle class against the lower class with words like that. Class division at its finest. i have the hardest time with the sheep of the world just going for all of this. hence the death of revolutionary culture
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Post by DanHam on Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:40 pm

Sorry to interrupt but

PS Dan - This is Whitebrad from the AF1 forum! We ride the RSVR Smile
Clearly you never hung around the 'Off-topic' section of the forum!!!

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Post by Bluecollarlove on Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:03 pm

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The RS50 section was the off topic section for me Very Happy Now its all changed the RS50 has its own off topic section Very Happy

Yeah I know.....the RS50 forum is more active than the rest of the AF1 forum put together!

But at some point, you'll want to grow up beyond 50cc lol!
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Post by Bluecollarlove on Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:32 pm

whitebrad wrote:yes, thoroughly enjoyed class today... political violence and revolution class, and the lecture was on war. We had a whole hour on the realism approach, causes, and etc... it was sort of strange to look at hobbes without looking THROUGH hobbes, if that makes any sense. Hobbes has always been the antithesis of thought for me, so a lot of his points were validated in the discussion, but his main thesis, state of nature, was not.

Enlightenment writers share a few commonalities, however the 17th century 'deist' philosophers were quite striking in their abstraction of man's nature, and rather loopy conjectures often derived from mathematical principles lol!

Sounds like I could do with a class like that. Like you, Hobbes has never interested me: I find that his philosophy does not bear on human existence, so much as it does, on 'man' as a social entity or political unit. I guess in that respect, my interest in philosophy has been less of the English analytical tradition, and more of the European continental version. The problem with Hobbes, is not so much his insights: it's the flawed starting point. 'In statu corruptionis...' - the corrupted state is the starting point and context. Not the hypothetical state, of stripping away war (English Civil War for him), and then reasoning from an abstract/non-concrete position of fantasy). Hegel was more interesting (Phenomenology of Spirit) and after my foundation year, abandoned Hobbes and similar myriads of boring deists Smile

I did like Berkeley's idealism though, mostly for the reasoning, rather than his conclusions. He was perhaps too religious to contribute to any discourse on politics....


An HMO plan is sort of like the Walmart of healthcare. It is seemingly based on a triage system. We see a dr 2x a year, but mainly, for normal complaints we pay a $10 copay, and see a physician's assistant. It is mostly based on seemingly triage... make sense?... that's the best i can do, but the rx charge is a copay of like $15, all the way up to a hospital admission which is like $100... It is affordable, and it is designed for families. The biggest problem is that Americans have been conditioned to hear the word "assistance" and think full-on communism. It is sickening. The worst part about it is the way they systematically turn the middle class against the lower class with words like that. Class division at its finest. i have the hardest time with the sheep of the world just going for all of this. hence the death of revolutionary culture

That makes sense: it sounds like it's similar to some of the non-health services in the islands of Great Britain, or even like the Eire (Irish) system of healthcare where patients pay about £10 to see a GP (General Practitioner/Dr).

What you say about 'assistance' and its connotations for Americans make a lot of sense. I struggled for ages to understand on the AF1 forum, where the term 'socialised healthcare' came from. In short, it seems like a distortion of health care ideals, ramped up to imply that suddenly communist health care ethics would take off.

In reality, communist health care, is nothing like that. It's strange how some of the conservative factions opposing healthcare reform in the States, are utterly clueless when it comes to recognising what exactly 'communist healthcare entails', yet are adamant, that the country is going down this line.

Yet the proposal for healthcare reform, takes place with a binary assumption: Medicare/Private versus Communist health care. Post-modern thinking entails the death of binary thinking, and the unfolding of a new uncertainty. I'm not sure America is at that (cognitive) point yet: some Americans are, and are deeply frustrated by the insistence of the binary attitudes towards healthcare. I suppose, I'm saying that the death of the revolution of healthcare, can be a consequence, of the insistence of the reified structure within society: people's thinking and attitudes. People are stuck in a form of institutionalised thinking, fuelled by mythologies derived from cultural experiences (war against commies etc). In this respect, the death of a revolution, is a datum, predicated on the very people it is supposed to help.

In France, this form of revolution took shape at the end of the 19th century with the Dreyfus affair. The Jewish captain Dreyfus, was wrongly accused of treason and imprisoned in exile. The institution, the classical government, backed by the aristocracy and catholic institution (not necessarily Catholics), all represented the 'Old order'. The trial was a shambles however the Old Order refused to budge. The revolution, came from intellectuals: writers like Emile Zola, Jean Jaures, Charles Péguy who accused the judges of the trial, that the Republic had been handed over to the military (not interested in truth) who where threatened with execution. Even then, the nationalist vs socialist debate, carried over into the streets, interestingly, in Algiers - the 'unorthodox' part of the French empire then.

100 years on, I'm not sure how the USA can make that shift from nationalism --> socialism in an American way, without uneasy tensions, either stifling reform (like the Old Order in the Dreyfus case), or risking all all fall-out. What catalysed the Dreyfus affair, was the public perception shift: one of unthinking, unreflected acceptance of what the authorities fed the public, to a shift towards recognising the persecution of the intellectuals who stood against the Old Order. I'm not sure who would take this role of the catalyst in American society today. Without, reform will be impotent and collapse on in itself.
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Post by DanHam on Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:17 pm

Bluecollarlove wrote:Yeah I know.....the RS50 forum is more active than the rest of the AF1 forum put together!

But at some point, you'll want to grow up beyond 50cc lol!

RS50 SECTION FOR LIFE lol! I'm kidding.

I'm going to stay in there, I love giving all the newbies a bashing (not the bashing you may think Very Happy)

When I'm like 20 or something I can rip on all the clueless 16 yo that come in, not that I was 16 or clueless at some stage haha.

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Post by whitebrad on Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:33 am

you would be shocked, (or maybe not!) at the absurd fears of these sheep over here... assistance is like crying wolf to the flock! and like sheep think any uncertainty is scary. Have you heard of a Judas goat? well, a judas goat is a goat that leads the flock into the slaughterhouse. the sheep will follow the goat, who turns off the line away from slaughter, to their very death. This is amusing to me.

The sad thing about the Dreyfus affair, and how it does not really translate to this shithole, is twofold: first, people are so strongly attached to their mythologies here that to let them go would seemingly be such a blow to their ego, or construct, that their very sanity would appear to be at risk; and 2) the intellectuals here are so impotent in thought and so snooty in their practice that they seemingly refuse to translate into plain english the actual dangers that laissez faire can pose to the proletariat. This is not to say that some may have a point or not, or that intellectuals would have their place, but either through selling out, or complete unwillingness to cause such a revolution, they are starting to sound like old bitchy hens just sitting back and throwing stones. Add to both of these things that the press has sold out its status as the 4th estate, and the truth-seeking directive that is necessary to any true democracy, that they are not longer guardians, but now tools of the state. This concept i am sort of borrowing from 'Manufacturing Consent', but it translates differently for me, in that press has become its own worst enemy. I think that Chomsky has it right, and I am not second-guessing his points, only adding that i thought he falls short in not simply accusing them of becoming tools of the state. I think that yes, they are failing because of the profit motive, but also believe they are knowingly kowtowing to the government, not unwittingly selling out.

The intellectuals in this country deserve their own special place in hell... in my estimation, there has been 4 incidents in the last year that shoud have brought the attention, and direction from these pussies, who are so separated in their 'ivory towers' that they sat back and took pot shots at the administration, spoke in their 'newspeak' to only silly shills of the state (those talking headed pundits) and failed to actually inspire any action by the people.
Take this shocking truth: there is a pair of shows here called "the daily show" and "the colbert report" that appear on a channel called comedy central here, on cable tv. These shows are actually more hard-hitting and have more substance on issues than any news program today!

here is a link to one incident that the daily show pretty much opened up and actually created a backlash, and showed the great unwashed some of the complete shit they would have never seen: http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/220533/thu-march-12-2009-jim-cramer

and here is a link that is interesting as well: http://www.muzzlewatch.com/2009/11/02/kudos-to-the-daily-show-but-a-breakthrough-or-the-exception-proves-the-rule/

and a funny-as-hell smash on cnn... you gotta see this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/daily-show-destroys-cnn-f_n_318295.html

in fact, if you watch a lot of these clips, you would probably enjoy the show!


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Post by whitebrad on Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:11 am

thanks. damn glad to be here
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Post by Benneyboy on Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:18 am

DanHam wrote:
Bluecollarlove wrote:Yeah I know.....the RS50 forum is more active than the rest of the AF1 forum put together!

But at some point, you'll want to grow up beyond 50cc lol!

RS50 SECTION FOR LIFE lol! I'm kidding.

I'm going to stay in there, I love giving all the newbies a bashing (not the bashing you may think Very Happy)

When I'm like 20 or something I can rip on all the clueless 16 yo that come in, not that I was 16 or clueless at some stage haha.

like me then lol where was all my flipping happy birthdays pms from last tuesday as well peeps you fuckers

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Post by Lissee on Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:57 am

ah u wanted pms then not ur own thread , did u not see it then , its there.
Oh i would have got the bike delivered too but i have some teething problems to sort out first with it.
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